Join Tony and 3 special guests as they explore all the ins and outs of walking the Camino de Santiago from the perspective of peregrinos who are heading over many hills, but not quite over the hill. It’s a lively conversation about preparation, trepidation and all out joy from this amazing experience

Meditation-in-motion, as in the case of long-distance trekking, is very much the process of moving in and out of discomfort, fear and resistance. Join the conversation with Dr. Jeremiah Gibbs of the University of Indianapolis who is a long-time journeyer along both the Camino de Santiago and the Appalachian Trail. A veteran of taking more than 100 first-time pilgrims on long treks and all the transformative themes therein. Dr. Gibbs is also an avid trainer of Camino pilgrims online through his practical teachings on packing, prepping and planning.

Last week we got lost with Justin and Patrick from the award-winning film, "I'll Push You." Well, Tony didn't turn the recording off and surprised those beautiful pilgrims with a surprise guest, their mutual friend, Michael Turner, who also happened to appear in the their film as a "pusher," at the most fateful moment in their trek across Spain. This conversation is lively, like eavesdropping on a group of old friends at the neighborhood pub, sharing old Camino memories and lessons brought back home. Join in the laughter and loyalty.